How many more and how many fewer
A story says one child has some more than another. How do you tell whether to add or to take away?
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When you reach for it
Some stories put two amounts side by side and talk about the gap between them. “Arlo has 3 more apples than Wren.” “Finn has 4 fewer crayons than Bea.” “The sunflower is taller than the tulip.” Nothing joins, nothing leaves; two amounts are simply compared. These are comparing stories.
A child has already met the gap itself in subtraction as the difference: when both amounts are known, the gap is the bigger take away the smaller. A story can hide any of the three numbers, though, not only the gap. It can give the gap and one amount and ask for the other amount. Then the question is whether to add or to subtract, and the words of the story do not settle it. “Tariq has 5 more marbles than Suki” can call for +5 or for -5, depending on whose marbles we already know. What settles it is a picture of who has more.
This lesson is about drawing that picture and reading the answer off it. Read every story aloud with the child, and let them build it with counters or cubes before any sum is written.
The procedure
Three numbers in every comparing story
Rosa has 8 stickers and Dev has 5. Line the stickers up in two rows, Rosa’s on top, and give each of Dev’s stickers a partner from Rosa’s row.
Rosa’s row now falls into two pieces. The first piece is the stickers that found a partner, and there are exactly as many of them as Dev has, 5. The second piece is the stickers with no partner, 3 of them: that is how many more Rosa has. So Rosa’s row is a whole made of two parts, just like the pictures in parts and the whole:
Every comparing story has these three numbers:
- the bigger amount, the whole of the longer row (Rosa’s 8),
- the smaller amount, which is also the matched part of the longer row (Dev’s 5),
- the gap, the part of the longer row with no partner (the 3).
The sentences “Rosa has 3 more stickers than Dev” and “Dev has 3 fewer stickers than Rosa” describe the same picture. One is read from the top row and one from the bottom row, but the rows and the gap are the same. Saying it both ways is good practice, because a story may use either.
The right half of the picture is the same story drawn as bars. The top bar stands for Rosa’s stickers and the bottom bar for Dev’s, lined up at the left just as the counters were. The piece of the top bar that sticks out past the end of the bottom bar is the gap. Bars are worth drawing once the numbers grow too big to lay out as counters, and they do not need to be drawn to size: the bar for the bigger amount just has to be longer. The bars are drawn here with the matched piece shaded, the extra piece plain, and anything still missing dashed.
Which number is missing
Because the bigger amount is the whole and the other two numbers are its parts, every comparing story is one of three kinds, and each kind has its sum.
| The story gives | The story asks for | Picture | The sum |
|---|---|---|---|
| both amounts | the gap | A | 8 - 5 = \square, or 5 + \square = 8 |
| the smaller amount and the gap | the bigger amount | B | 5 + 3 = \square |
| the bigger amount and the gap | the smaller amount | C | 8 - 3 = \square |
The reason is the same reason as in every part and whole picture. Two parts make the whole, so when the whole is missing we put the parts together and add. When a part is missing we take the known part away from the whole, or count on from the known part up to the whole. Here the bigger amount is always the whole, so:
- if the missing number is the bigger amount, add;
- if the missing number is the smaller amount or the gap, subtract (or count on).
Reading who has more
To use that, a child has to know which amount is the bigger one before doing anything else. The comparing sentence tells them. In “Arlo has 3 more apples than Wren”, the name in front of “more” has more, so Arlo’s row is the long one. In “Finn has 4 fewer crayons than Bea”, the name in front of “fewer” has fewer, so Finn’s row is the short one and Bea’s is the long one.
A sentence can always be turned around without changing what it says. “Finn has 4 fewer than Bea” is the same fact as “Bea has 4 more than Finn”. Turning a sentence around until the bigger amount comes first is a good habit when a story feels muddled.
Then look at the amount the story gives. Is it the long row or the short row? That, and only that, decides between adding and subtracting. The word “more” says which row is longer; it does not say which row is missing. So “more” sometimes means add (Example 1) and sometimes means take away (Example 3), and “fewer” can mean add as well (Example 4). The word alone never says whether to add or take away, which is why the picture comes first.
“Less” and “fewer” mean the same thing here. Lengths and heights use their own words, “longer”, “shorter”, “taller”, but the picture is the same, with cubes or bars in place of counters.
Evening up
Some stories ask how to make the two amounts the same: “How many more does Kofi need to have as many as Lena?” That is the gap again. Giving the shorter row the gap fills it up until every counter in the longer row has a partner. Taking the gap away from the longer row works too, because then the unmatched counters are gone and what is left matches the shorter row exactly.
Checking an answer
Put the answer back into the story and make two checks. The one the story says has more must come out bigger. And the bigger take away the smaller must give the gap the story stated. A child who added when they should have taken away fails the first check at once, because their answer makes the wrong child the one with more.
Bigger numbers
Stories with numbers up to 100 use exactly the same picture. Only the working changes. To add, put on the tens and then the ones, as in Adding two-digit numbers without regrouping, making a new ten when the ones run past nine (Regrouping in addition). To subtract, either count up from the smaller number in friendly hops on an open number line or take away the tens and then the ones; use whichever is shorter for the numbers in front of you. Making a ten and Tens and ones do the rest.
Worked examples
Read each story aloud. Counters, cubes or two strips of paper are enough to act out every one.
Finding the one with more
Wren has 4 apples. Arlo has 3 more apples than Wren. How many apples does Arlo have?
SolutionWho has more? Arlo is in front of “more”, so his row is the long one. We know Wren’s amount, the short row, and the gap. The missing number is the long row, so this is picture B.
Build Wren’s 4 apples first. Arlo has as many as Wren, so give him 4 to match, and then 3 more on the end. His row is the matched part and the extra part together:
Arlo has 7 apples. Check: Arlo comes out bigger, as the story says, and 7 - 4 = 3 is the gap the story gave.
Finding the one with fewer
Bea has 10 crayons. Finn has 4 fewer crayons than Bea. How many crayons does Finn have?
SolutionFinn is in front of “fewer”, so his row is the short one and Bea’s is the long one. Turned around, the sentence says “Bea has 4 more crayons than Finn”. We know the long row and the gap, and the short row is missing: picture C.
Lay out Bea’s 10 crayons. The last 4 of them are her extra ones, the ones with no partner in Finn’s row. Every one of the others has a partner, so Finn’s row is Bea’s row without those 4:
Finn has 6 crayons. Check: Finn comes out smaller, and 6 + 4 = 10 gives back Bea’s crayons.
When “more” means take away
Tariq has 11 marbles. He has 5 more marbles than Suki. How many marbles does Suki have?
SolutionThe word is “more”, but look at who has more. “He has 5 more than Suki” puts Tariq in front of “more”, so Tariq’s bar is the long one, and we already know it: 11. Suki’s bar is the short one, and it is missing. That is picture C, so we subtract.
Tariq’s 11 marbles are a matched part, as many as Suki has, and 5 extra. Taking the 5 extra away leaves the matched part, which is Suki’s amount:
Suki has 6 marbles. Check: 6 + 5 = 11, so Tariq does have 5 more. A child who adds instead gets 11 + 5 = 16, which would make Suki the one with more marbles, and that is not what the story said.
When “fewer” means put together
Pablo scored 9 points. He scored 6 fewer points than Ines. How many points did Ines score?
SolutionPablo is in front of “fewer”, so he has the short bar, and we know it: 9. Turn the sentence around: “Ines scored 6 more points than Pablo.” Her bar is the long one, and it is missing. That is picture B, so we add.
Ines’s bar is a piece as long as Pablo’s and an extra 6:
Ines scored 15 points. Check: 15 - 9 = 6, and Ines comes out with more, as she should. The story said “fewer” and the sum is an addition; the picture, not the word, chose the sign.
Evening up
Kofi has 7 toy cars. Lena has 12 toy cars. How many more cars does Kofi need to have as many as Lena? How many cars would Lena have to put away to have as many as Kofi?
SolutionBoth amounts are known, so both questions ask for the gap (picture A). Line the cars up: Kofi’s 7 match 7 of Lena’s, and Lena has some cars with no partner. Count on from 7 to 12: “eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve”, five counts.
Kofi needs 5 more cars. Adding them to his row gives each of Lena’s unmatched cars a partner, and 7 + 5 = 12. The second question has the same answer, 5: if Lena puts her 5 unmatched cars in the box, she is left with 12 - 5 = 7, the same as Kofi.
Bigger numbers on bars
The red team collected 45 cans. The blue team collected 18 more cans than the red team. How many cans did the blue team collect?
SolutionThe blue team is in front of “more”, so its bar is the long one. We know the red team’s bar, the short one, and the gap. The long bar is missing: picture B, so we add.
Nobody draws 45 little squares. The bars only show that the blue bar is the red bar and 18 more. To add, put on the ten and then the ones: 45 + 10 = 55, and 55 + 8 = 63. So
The blue team collected 63 cans. Check by counting up from 45 to 63: 5 makes 50, 10 more makes 60, and 3 more makes 63, which is 5 + 10 + 3 = 18 in all, the gap the story gave.
Counting up on a number line
Ravi read 51 pages. Juno read 34 pages. How many fewer pages did Juno read than Ravi?
SolutionBoth amounts are known, so the question asks for the gap: picture A. The gap is how far it is from 34 up to 51, and counting up in friendly hops finds it.
From 34, a hop of 6 reaches the ten 40. A hop of 10 reaches 50. A hop of 1 reaches 51. The hops add up to 6 + 10 + 1 = 17, so
Juno read 17 fewer pages than Ravi. Check: 34 + 17 = 51. Counting up works because the gap is the missing part in 34 + \square = 51, and hopping to tens keeps each step easy to do in one’s head.
Same numbers, two stories
(a) Lena has 13 stamps. She has 5 more stamps than Ravi. How many stamps does Ravi have?
(b) Lena has 13 stamps. Ravi has 5 more stamps than Lena. How many stamps does Ravi have?
SolutionThe two stories use the same numbers and the same word, “more”. Only the names have swapped places.
In (a), Lena is in front of “more”, so she has the long row, and we know it is 13. Ravi’s short row is missing, so we subtract:
Ravi has 8 stamps.
In (b), Ravi is in front of “more”, so he has the long row, and it is missing. Lena’s 13 is now the short row, so we add:
Ravi has 18 stamps. Same numbers, same word, opposite signs. Who stands in front of “more”, and whose amount is known, decide the sum; drawing the two rows makes both visible at once.
Boundaries
- Two of the three numbers are needed. “Ivo has 6 more marbles than Nell” gives the gap and nothing else. Ivo could have 6 and Nell none, or Ivo 10 and Nell 4, or many other pairs. Without one of the amounts, the story has no single answer.
- The gap cannot be bigger than the bigger amount. With counted things nobody has fewer than none. “Tariq has 4 marbles, which is 6 more than Suki” cannot happen, since Suki would need 4 - 6 marbles, and there is no such number of marbles. The gap can equal the bigger amount only when the smaller amount is 0.
- Both amounts must count the same kind of thing. 3 bags of apples and 8 apples cannot be compared until we know how many apples are in a bag. Lengths must be measured in the same unit, cubes against cubes or centimeters against centimeters.
- A comparing story is not a change story. If a child gives some marbles to another child, both amounts change and the story is about joining and taking away, as in Problems with the start, change or result missing. In a comparing story nothing moves; the gap is a description, not an event.
- “More” here means added on, not times as many. “3 more than Wren” means Wren’s amount and 3 extra. “Three times as many as Wren” is a different kind of comparison, taken up much later in Times as many.
Where this goes next
Comparing stories are one family among the addition and subtraction stories. The others put amounts together, take them apart, or change them, and the same question decides each one: is the missing number a whole or a part? Stories with two questions in a row, such as “Arlo has 3 more apples than Wren, who has 4. How many apples do they have together?”, need one answer before the next and belong to Two-step addition and subtraction problems.
The gap questions here are what a child asks of a bar graph or pictograph (“how many more children chose dogs than cats?”), and of two lengths in Measuring length. Each story also gives a whole fact family: 4 + 3 = 7, 7 - 4 = 3 and 7 - 3 = 4 all describe Arlo and Wren. The two lined-up bars grow into the tape diagrams of later years, and comparing by “times as many” in place of “more than” becomes Times as many.
Exercises
Find the gap
- Kofi has 7 pencils. Rosa has 10 pencils. How many more pencils does Rosa have than Kofi?
- There are 11 ducks and 5 geese on a pond. How many fewer geese are there than ducks?
- Lena’s tower has 16 blocks. Hugo’s tower has 9 blocks. How many more blocks are in Lena’s tower?
- Wren has 6 stamps. Arlo has 13 stamps. How many more stamps does Wren need to have as many as Arlo?
- Marco has 15 stickers. Ellie has 9 stickers. How many stickers would Marco have to put away to have as many as Ellie?
Find the bigger amount
- Juno has 6 grapes. Ravi has 4 more grapes than Juno. How many grapes does Ravi have?
- A red ribbon is 9 cubes long. A blue ribbon is 5 cubes longer than the red ribbon. How many cubes long is the blue ribbon?
- Nell has 8 marbles. She has 7 fewer marbles than Ivo. How many marbles does Ivo have?
- There are 12 red cups. There are 5 fewer red cups than blue cups. How many blue cups are there?
Find the smaller amount
- Bea has 10 cherries. Finn has 3 fewer cherries than Bea. How many cherries does Finn have?
- Tariq picked 14 apples. He picked 6 more apples than Suki. How many apples did Suki pick?
- There are 16 children on a bus. There are 9 more children than grown-ups. How many grown-ups are on the bus?
- Marco has 20 crayons. Ellie has 8 fewer crayons than Marco. How many crayons does Ellie have?
Read the bars
Use the bars for Exercises 14 to 16. What number goes where the question mark is?
- Bars A.
- Bars B.
- Bars C.
Bigger numbers
- The blue team has 34 cans. The green team has 25 more cans than the blue team. How many cans does the green team have?
- A jar has 63 beads. A box has 28 fewer beads than the jar. How many beads are in the box?
- Pablo read 47 pages. He read 19 more pages than Ines. How many pages did Ines read?
- A sunflower is 85 centimeters tall. A tulip is 38 centimeters tall. How much taller is the sunflower?
- Zara has 26 stickers. She has 18 fewer stickers than Hugo. How many stickers does Hugo have?
Explain
- Kofi has 12 pens. He has 4 more pens than Rosa. Lena says: “The story says more, so I add. Rosa has 16 pens.” Is Lena right? Draw the rows to show why.
- Do “Ravi has 5 more cards than Juno” and “Juno has 5 fewer cards than Ravi” say the same thing? Show it with counters.
- Ivo has 6 more marbles than Nell. Can you tell how many marbles Ivo has? What else would you need to know?
- Tell two stories that both use the numbers 9 and 4 and the word “more”. In the first the answer should be 13, and in the second it should be 5.
Answers
- 3 more pencils. Both amounts are known, so this is the gap: count on from 7, “eight, nine, ten”, so 10 - 7 = 3.
- 6 fewer geese. Match each goose with a duck; 6 ducks are left over, so 11 - 5 = 6.
- 7 more blocks. Count on from 9 to 16: one makes 10 and six more make 16, so 16 - 9 = 7.
- 7 more stamps. Wren needs the gap. Count on from 6 to 13: 4 reaches 10 and 3 more reach 13, so 13 - 6 = 7.
- 6 stickers. Putting away Marco’s unmatched stickers leaves him with as many as Ellie, and there are 15 - 9 = 6 of them.
- 10 grapes. Ravi has more and his amount is missing, so add: 6 + 4 = 10.
- 14 cubes. The blue ribbon is the longer one and it is missing, so add: 9 + 5 = 14.
- 15 marbles. Nell has fewer, so Ivo has 7 more than Nell. Ivo’s long row is missing, so add: 8 + 7 = 15.
- 17 blue cups. The red cups are fewer, so the blue cups are the long row and are missing: 12 + 5 = 17.
- 7 cherries. Finn has fewer and his amount is missing, so subtract: 10 - 3 = 7.
- 8 apples. Tariq has more and we know his 14, so Suki’s short row is missing: 14 - 6 = 8. Check: 8 + 6 = 14.
- 7 grown-ups. The children are the long row, 16; the grown-ups are the short row: 16 - 9 = 7.
- 12 crayons. Ellie has fewer and her amount is missing: 20 - 8 = 12.
- 12. The question mark is over the whole top bar, so add the bottom bar and the extra piece: 8 + 4 = 12.
- 9. The top bar is 15 and its extra piece is 6, so the bottom bar is 15 - 6 = 9.
- 4. The extra piece is the gap between 11 and 7: count on “eight, nine, ten, eleven”, so 11 - 7 = 4.
- 59 cans. The green team has more and is missing, so add: 34 + 20 = 54 and 54 + 5 = 59, so 34 + 25 = 59.
- 35 beads. The box has fewer and is missing, so 63 - 28 = 35. Count up from 28: 2 makes 30, 30 more makes 60, 3 more makes 63, and 2 + 30 + 3 = 35.
- 28 pages. Pablo read more and we know his 47, so Ines’s short bar is missing: 47 - 19 = 28. Check: 28 + 19 = 47.
- 47 centimeters taller. Both heights are known, so find the gap: 85 - 38 = 47. Count up from 38: 2 makes 40, 40 more makes 80, 5 more makes 85, and 2 + 40 + 5 = 47.
- 44 stickers. Zara has fewer, so Hugo has 18 more than Zara, and his long row is missing: 26 + 18 = 44.
- No. Kofi is in front of “more”, so his row is the long one and his 12 is known. Rosa’s row is the short one: it matches 12 - 4 = 8 of Kofi’s pens, and Kofi’s other 4 have no partner. Rosa has 8 pens. With 16, Rosa would have more than Kofi, which the story does not say.
- Yes. Put Ravi’s cards in a row and Juno’s below, matched in pairs. Ravi has 5 cards with no partner, so he has 5 more; Juno is missing partners for those same 5, so she has 5 fewer. It is one gap, read from each row.
- No. The sentence gives only the gap. Ivo might have 6 and Nell 0, or Ivo 15 and Nell 9. Knowing how many marbles Nell has, or how many Ivo has, would settle it.
- Many stories work. For 13: “Juno has 9 shells. Ravi has 4 more shells than Juno. How many does Ravi have?” Ravi’s long row is missing, so 9 + 4 = 13. For 5: “Juno has 9 shells. She has 4 more than Ravi. How many does Ravi have?” Ravi’s short row is missing, so 9 - 4 = 5.